In my opinion, they were both very happy to see one another, but they couldn't risk anyone seeing them together or caring too much for each other or she would be in danger again so they played down their emotions.
Thanks for adding another perspective to the discussion!
I understand how you see it. And I think that very well is the case. It's just...really...off to me. I wanted to emote during that scene, but...didn't. Couldn't. Sigh. For me, there's too much unexplained. I can't just accept that moment between them. Especially given the actions and pace of the rest of the film.
I think Travis, in the comment below, really expressed what I'm feeling.
Hopefully other people comment, and we can continue to widen/explore the perspective/reactions on/to this moment.
I'm honored you would mention me! Or even think I present valid opinions...it's nice to know.
Anyway, I think you've hit on something here, and although you thorough analysis hits the nail on the head, I think it points to one thing: this screenplay was haphazardly thrown together. I mean, you came up with three different scenarios that could explain this situation, and ALL of them hold weight. The screenwriters really just did not do a good job with explaining anybody's situations, including Ethan and his wife's. The best example we receive is when Renner tells the audience verbatim...and I want movies to SHOW me things, not TELL me them. The final shot, really, does nothing. It's a nice and sweet moment if it's this or that scenario, but really, it's just pretty picture slapped on the end of an extremely dysfunctional film.
One thing I enjoyed the most in this film was things did indeed do go wrong due to the unforeseeable. It justified the comedy, made the action sequences tense, and made the ridiculousness of the some scenes believable.
The point is, when you go to see a film, if you so choose you can always find its flaws. Did the last scene upset me? No, why? Because Ethan said it was over, and it looked to be pretty over... for the moment. She did convince me she loves him, she loves him but knows something we don't know, making it acceptable not to go over the top or running into his arms, and him being there was testament to his feelings for her.
I took like this, with out saying anything Ethan was telling her, "Hey, I'm sorry but I'm not done yet, almost..."
Anywho, just my two cents, I loved this film, Ilaughed and cringed. Ving Rahmes cameo made me happy and all the new blood worked really well in an ensemble, which is a new twist on MI franchise, Ethan didn't have to do EVERYTHING. A very solid franchise to say the least =)
I'm a little late responding, but this was a good comment. I think it's nice that the scene works on a level where people can interpret so much from it. It's said the best art is art that allows the viewer or participant to find meaning rather than be given meaning.
With that said, the scene, over a year later, still strikes me as...off.
Thanks for the comment Matt!
I have another thought, but this is a stretch. What if Ethan actually died in the Kremlin explosion, and the remainder of the movie takes place in his own mind in a type of purgatory as a way for him to both save his team and come to terms with his wife's death before moving on to the next part of the afterlife. After all, it was produced by JJ Abrams' Bad Robot production company, which also did a similar thing during the last season of "Lost." Plus, in the final moments, Ethan disappears in a cloud of smoke. Perhaps he's literally the "ghost" of Ghost Protocol.
I hope your use of "Echo" in "EchoMike" is a "Lost" reference haha.
It's an interesting notion. I just don't think there's enough there to support it? If this were a standalone film, I'd be more inclined to see it as a potential. But being a big budget franchise...too ballsy of a decision. Though we could argue that even if he isn't an actual "ghost" he has become something like that. Surviving the Kremlin explosion and doing all the death-defying things he does...it's like he can't die.
I think that Julia still loves Hunt, if she's Julia HUNT still she know's the problems of being an agent's wife or maybe she's living another life with or even without Ethan.
But she does love him. I can tell it by her expressions, it says "Again, you're here but..." she's just stunned or kinnda quite happy and she also knows that he won't be with her. She portrays her character beautifully and talking about Ethan's part, he explains everything with his eyes. He just wanna let her know that he's there for her, always.
This is a very nice explanation. But, the problem, for me, is that I like your explanation of the scene way more than I like the scene. I just don't like how it was done...but it's good you did!
Thanks Modi. If you take a closer look at the scene you can understand everything without me defining.....
I re-watched the scene recently and still like your description better haha. I get what was intended. The details just...are a little awkward for me. But what the scene wants to do is powerful and beautiful.
I'm with Alanna, they were happy to see each other but COULDN'T show it. Can you imagine, if she smiled or mouthed or put her hand on her heart so overtly, 'someone' (a spy, a ninja, who knows) following Ethan saw that, saw her, and suddenly she is a target again and the faked death was all for nothing.
It was stupid for him to make himself known to her. She knew that. She was happy and angry at the same time for him being there, and that showed in her actions. She saw him but refused to acknowledge him. He broke the rules and put her in danger.
Other than that... it kind amused me that you highlighted Simon Pegg's character's lack of an emotional arc, yet he was a highlight for you for the film. Were the two things connected?
I think what you said about her being happy and angry is on to something. But if she's upset he put her in danger, it brings me back to questioning...where they are as a couple? Doesn't that mean he loves her more? He's willing to go farther than she is? She gave a little, but if she's refusing to acknowledge him...what's that say? Is she just very...stern and by the book and it says nothing about how she feels about him? Maybe. But it could say more...
Were the two things connected? I think it's more of me just liking the energy Pegg brings to a film? The character definitely could have been stronger. I don't know if he needed an emotional arc though? I like the idea of him not having one in this movie, being in the sequel and having more of one, then just have some uber-dramatic spin-off where it turns out his life, when he's not on a mission, is just...unhappy...so he takes a leave of absence to find some happiness and satisfaction outside of work. Hm. But that won't happen. If he's in the next movie and AGAIN doesn't have an emotional arc...I'll have a problem.
I was actually really angry walking out of the theater because I had assumed that Ethan Hunt had fabricated an elaborate story that offered a bit of redemption for Brandt so that he could live his life without the guilt weighing him down. If this was true, it would have been a touching moment reiterating the sacrifices that Ethan made for the IMF. 2 minutes later, this theory is forcibly ejected from my brain by an awkward "looking at you but not" staring contest.
I really would have been fine if she was alive and didn't include that scene as at least it would have offered a bit more in terms of drama. For me, as it stands right now, the film started off with a nice little tragedy and completely made worthless all the conflict that arose from it by showing us "see? It isn't all that bad! he can stalk her and they can kind of side-grin at each other at docks!".
I am totally aware of how paranoid I sound but it seems pretty darn possible that the script was changed so that the public could have a neat little packaged ending. Which I find incredibly demeaning if true as it shows how little respect the writers had for the audience.
But fantastic movie, otherwise. LOL
I think it would have been SO MUCH COOLER had Brandt made that story up.
A much better twist if he told that story, then SAW HER WALKING, just as he did, but she doesn't notice him, and she's with another guy. And we're like...what the fuck? And it becomes a subplot of the next movie. It turns out she was injured in the attack, and she wanted a divorce out of it. It means Hunt still does Brandt the kindness (because, in a way, Brandt did cost Hunt his marriage), but her being alive means she isn't made a martyr of. Which means Brandt has to deal with not having her when she is alive, with loving her, and not being able to have her. There's that tension then. Can he win her back? Will he? Will she become a target regardless of their divorce and new identity?
The fact that you weren't called to consult for the ending of this film is truly a tragedy, sir.
Though, I do have a slight inclination of a disagreement here. The tension would be an awesome subplot for the next film but I really hope they don't pull the "ex-wife is still a target" move. I just always find this ploy a little tiring as we're forced to get emotionally invested by someone emotionally detached to the main character.
Whyyyyy dooooo weeee caaaaare???
I don't know. Maybe I'm just a little desensitized to movie relationships but moves like that makes it feel less like a badass spy flick and more of a spring romcom.
A really bad one.
(I'm going to say this before anyone tries to crucify me by referencing Crazy Stupid Love. Yes, okay, it was a pretty good film that had a guy get back with his ex-wife. But the difference between finding out the person you are currently with is a dickbag and getting kidnapped is that you are actively driving the story forward with the former. I fuuuuuuuucking hate Princess Peach types, if that wasn't made clear.)
I have to reply up here because it won't let me reply to the last thing you said.
You know what, I agree with the whole "ex-wife" target gimmick. I would say if a movie was going to use it, they DO NOT involve the girl. Like, she's not kidnapped or anything like that. Just targeted. And you can have the tension then of the hero thanklessly saving the girl, then not winning her back because she has no idea. Ah, nobility. In fact, I would have this be the first hour of the film. And then the second hour is the emotional decay of the agent, leading to a need for catharsis, a need for change, and doing something totally radical and absurd (to good end or bad?).
Hm. I may write this now.
Feel like assisting?
And "Crazy, Stupid, Love" was good. It's action, reflection, reaction. But that final speech...so fucking cheesy.
Your way definitely offers that route salvation as it eliminates any chance for the "ex-wife bitches and moans about how she can't get away from the main character's drama even after divorce" scene to appear. I always end up more frustrated then the actual character by the pure brattyness my brain has been subjected to.
If it were up to me though, I'd make that whole first half much less than an hour. Maybe just the opening scene. That might just be the ADD talking, however.
And anytime, Mr. Modigliani. Anytime
(the whole ending is dripping in cheese).
crap sorry about the repeated postings, an error made me click several times. feel free to delete them!
Sorry I'm just getting back to you. What if that hour-long rescue mission were REALLY JAM PACKED with action and twists and turns haha. That way I get my hour and your ADD isn't saying "keep it moving, come on".
Hope the last 7 months have been good for you.
I'm throwing my lot in with Alanna. My hope is that they are still married and it's a "waiting for you" situation. Despite it being incredibly dangerous for her, them suddenly being divorced seems to spit on the third movie. They established the trust between Ethan and Julia and even brought her into the action. Of course they don't was a repeat of the MI:iii's events, but if she didn't leave him then, I have a hard time understanding why she would leave a few(??) years later.
I can totally see where you're coming from with the ending of GP, it felt flat to a certain extent. I did, however, also feel the strain between them...maybe imagined sadness? I don't want them to be done with each other yet, so I may be creating my own hope that they come back together at some point.
Er, "Of course they don't *want* a repeat..." Sorry about that.
Hi Aubrey. I think you hit the nail on the head with the strain, but also with the viewer bringing their own emotions to the scene. It's so ambiguous...I mean...there are no words. We can't tell, really, what those looks mean. Being hollow in this way, it is up to the viewer to decide what it all means. I can see the argument for "they still love each other a lot but can't right now" reading of the scene. But it's awkward enough to argue "despite what happened in MI3, she wasn't able to handle the life. And she might still love him but...it ain't happening." It's just a weird weird moment to me.
Especially a weird way to end the fourth movie in a blockbuster franchise. Hm.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Lol I died laughing when he said he killed six Serbian nationalists! Ahahaha then got sent to a Russian jail why on earth would he be sent to a Russian jail for killing Serbs on Croatian soil hahahaha. Tom cruise is a clown, I doubt he could kill one Croatian or Serbian woman with his 5'3 frame
Oh! You died hearing that...sooo...sad. And i also saw that you mentioned Tom Cruise as a clown. Hmm...if only my sister heard this, she'll kill you. Seriously, she's a diehard fan of Tom Cruise. And I don't think that only men with 6.3 frame can kill people. Anyone can kill anyone with just a gun...
How did it take me this long to see this exchange? It sounds like you two know each other? If you don't know each other, this is even funnier (I'm assuming, Sarah, that you're threatening violence as a joke).
Whoa, too much info and analysis dude, was like just googleing if that chick Julia got caulked in the 3rd film man. Like was it in a scene right. Spun me out cos I thought I remembers it, then I had thoughts like of past days it mighta been other film.
Info overload mate, info overload. Gonna make me look out case I gets jumped by Death for sure like. Reckon it, you?
Hey Rik. It's a film analysis site. "Info overload" is what we do here. It isn't for everyone. But it's for some people.
I hope you didn't get jumped by Death. I hear that Death usually doesn't jump people but stops and waits for them.
Excellent! I admire all the helpful data you've shared in your articles. I'm looking forward for more helpful articles from you. :)
If they never made another mission impossible movie, I am going to tell myself that they wound up together. too much love there. I think part 5 ethan should fake his own death and wind up back with Julia.
what do you all think?
Hey Rob. I think it would definitely make people happy if that was how the series ended. It'd be cheesy, for sure. But a decent conclusion.
I like the idea that she gets fed up waiting for him. So she becomes an international terrorist and he is torn between stopping her and helping her succeed with her mission and then faking their own deaths so they can be together.
I think julia was being written out of the show and the ending to me portrayed ethan and julia having moved on from each other to the point of being like casual friends not believable realistically but I think that is what the director wanted to say.since all these movies are unrealistic it fit to have unrealistic emotions at the end, but it bothered me too since I like to get attached to characters. jeremy renner was I thought the best at most realistic emotions.
Mission impossible summery is very i read this and its give us good lesson and we should don't affair to any thing without any affect thanks for sharing .
Of course we Serbs are a bad guys, terrorists...cmon westerners you should pay more attention to Arabs...omfg
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