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A lot of people are visiting the site after searching for "The end of Ides of March explained", so here you go.  

This is, most definitely, a spoiler.

There is an argument for an "idealistic ending", and an argument for a "realistic" ending.  Lead investigator MODIGLIANI makes the case for the "happy" end.  One of our part-time M.I.'s, SALVADOR DALI, lays out the evidence for the "depressing" conclusion.  

Modigliani


My Assessment:

To understand the end of Ides of March, we have to put the movie into context.  Okay. So.

Ides is a movie adaptation of the play Farragut North.  The play ends with Stephen being fired.  The movie, obviously, continues on.  And this is why the title is different.

"Beware the Ides of March" is the prophetic line from Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar.  This is spoken by a seer to Casesar.  Idus is latin for "half".  So the "half of March" or March 15.  This is the day Caesar was assassinated.  

Have you ever heard the line "Et tu, Brute?"  (You too, Brutus?)  This is the supposed dying words of Julius--he had been stabbed by a bunch of people who no longer thought he was doing so hot as leader.  This group, to Caesar's dismay, included his friend:  Marcus Brutus.  

Shakespeare dramatized the friendship between Brutus and Caesar.  Caesar was his (Brutus's) friend!  How could he (Brutus) kill him (Caesar)!  But Caesar was tyrannical and there were rumors he would make Rome a monarchy.  Should he (Brutus) trust his friend, or save the republic? 

The reason the movie is called The Ides of March and not Farragut North is for the comparison to Shakespeare.  And the comparison to Shakespeare is a reference to the assassination of Caesar.  Do you see how this fits with our movie?

Stephen (Ryan Gosling) is Brutus.  Governor Morris (Clooney) is Julius Caesar.  (Shakespeare's play, as with Clooney's film, casts Brutus as the protagonist).    

Brutus betrayed Caesar. The implication is that Stephen betrays Morris.  The clue to this, the title aside, comes as Stephen is sitting in the chair, waiting for the live TV interview to start.  A clip of Morris is playing.  It's a speech about decency, about honor, about doing the right thing.  Morris's words happen to also be the topics on Stephen's mind.  It's a deft touch of irony.  But also foreshadowing.  And elucidation (about Stephen's thoughts, which we're never really privy to).  

Leading up to this, Stephen blackmails Moore to get Paul Zara's (Seymour Hoffman) job of Campaign Manager.  Stephen had been fired by Zara days before.  We think that Stephen is doing what he's doing because he's "playing politics", he's leveraging position to get back at Zara and further his own career.  But that's not it.  Stephen feels guilty about Molly's suicide (note the scene where he cries in the car).  He's angry at himself, but he also blames Governor Morris for not being the flawless leader Stephen thought he was.  

Stephen had looked up to Morris as one would a superhero.  He thought Morris was above everything, was greater, was the leader of leaders.  And yet Morris is flawed enough, stupid enough, so fucking cliche as to sleep with the hot intern.  Stephen didn't care about his career anymore.  He wanted revenge.  For Molly.  For himself.  In order to achieve this, he had to have the right position.  If he had remained fired and had spilled the beans, the story would have died.  "He's a disgruntled ex-employee.  He's mad that he was fired.  Governor Morris would never do such a thing, that's hogwash."  So he plays politics.  He has Morris anoint him Campaign Manager.  And then he stabs Morris in the back.

The movie ends prior to the fulfillment of its climax.  Thus the climax is haunting the way an unfinished song is.  "Row, row, row your--."  Even though it's unspoken, the word "boat" resounds.  

As it is with the song "Row, Row, Row Your Boat", repetition is a major motif of the film:  the hot interns; the young, thirsty campaign assistants; both Zara and his rival (played by Giamatti) tell anecdotes about older situations that are similar to current situations; Tomei tells Stephen all politicians are alike, that Morris will disappoint Stephen (which, abstractly, cites the same cyclical nature of politics, the closed-system that it is, cultivating the same problems and personalities again and again); Morris sleeping with another woman (Molly) is the same problem of dozens of politicians; the line "Are you a Bearcat?" is even repeated.  Stephen's ultimate act, then, is to break the cyclic nature of the political game.  

The argument the movie makes is that in order to change the zeitgeist of the institution we must change not only the types of players but also the way the game is played.  Integrity has to be more than a mere sound bite or ideal.  

Dali


Let me start by saying that I really appreciate [Modigliani's] take on the ending of what I consider to be one of the best movies of 2011. And it most certainly speaks to the credit of the masterful screenplay that it allows an argument to be made for both sides. That being said, I disagree, respectfully of course. While I can certainly appreciate the possibility of Ryan's character making such an idealistic turn and taking the moral high ground, I simply don't find it plausible.

My Assessment:
This movie, in my opinion, is simply an acknowledgement of the backroom cut-throat nature of campaign politics. A testament to the lack of moral fiber in all parties involved, regardless of their political affiliations. A major point this movie tried to make was that corruption is not the exclusive domain of right wing conservatives, and that liberals are equally capable of playing in the mud. And aside from the fact that Paul Giamatti's character quite literally complains about it, this is evident in the transition of George Clooney's character. I'm somewhat tempted to make a comparison to Obama and his '08 campaign, where he ran on a platform for change, and was devoid of any constituent imposed restraints. Then slowly but surely he continued to move the "line in the sand." Finally after several donations from the "Banks and Big Pharmas", you realize that much like Clooney’s intern banging/bribing candidate, he is just another politician. 

If you recall, there is a scene in the beginning of the movie, where Tomei, Gosling and Hoffman are discussing the Ohio primary. The exchange between Tomei and Gosling to me was key. Ryan talks about his past campaigns and how this time "he has the one". Tomei completely disregarded and dismissed this notion, telling him that his man is just another drone that will occupy the big, white house for 4, maybe 8 years and then it's on to the next one. And about 70 minutes later Ryan figures this out as well. Whats important to note is that Ryan admits to having played dirty politics before, but he is simply blindsided by Clooney's appeal. Still, Ryan's character lives for politics, while he has his principles, he's still pragmatic.

The Ides of March, the not so subtle reference to the assassination of Caesar is being taken quite literally I'm afraid. Generally "beware the Ides of March" is a proverb that really is just a warning of impending danger. Just like Caesar was stabbed by several of his confidantes, Ryan is quickly betrayed by everyone around him. Giamatti didn't care one way or another how Ryan's situation played out, and Hoffman fired him. Which considering what Ryan did might've been appropriate, but Hoffman leveraged it in a way that would disgrace Ryan in the media and help the campaign.  This is an utter disregard of human compassion from a man who ironically is preaching about loyalty. But the deadliest stab comes from the governor himself.  Who aside from being an adulterer, as it turns out "is okay" with letting Gosling go that way. 

Ryan is ultimately faced with two choices. Either he packs his bags, goes on vacation and mass blasts resumes to overpriced consulting firms or he conforms. The way I see it, he does the latter. He picks himself up, gets back on the horse and plays the game better than anyone else. As Clooney's speech plays in the background, "integrity matters, doing the right thing matters..." the camera zooms in on Ryan and the movie ends. It is the ultimate statement about the current state of out political system and the naked truth of the absurdity in campaigning. As much as we want good guys in politics, there just isn’t any room for them. As much as I can see the appeal in wanting to believe that Ryan's character had an epiphany and decided to turn the political world on its head, I just don't see it. This movie was about the disintegration of idealism and not the other way around.

PS. I saw a comment regarding the intern who appeared in the end and someone suggested that she was Molly with different hair. That is quite absurd. The intern serves as further evidence that the system is still churning. She’s just another hot intern, and the guy who’s giving her the phone begins flirting with her the same way Ryan flirts with Molly. “Are you a Bearcat?” 



Inquiry Closed
 


11/13/2011 01:58

So, Modigliani... my take was that Steven was going to do a 60 Minutes type interview exposing the Governor. As revenge for Molly and his own disillusionment. The theater I saw Ides in has a poor sound system and I don't think the movie has good sound either, as I had difficulty hearing much of the dialog. I felt I missed something right before he went to do the interview. I had trouble with the conversation at the end with the scene with Marisa's character.

Interesting blog... I will check it out... thanks for your input...

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flora
03/25/2012 16:10

I agree with you ted - at least that was what I was hoping he would do - and although slick and dramatic - I found the ending a bit annoying and inconclusive - that may be the whole point - but its annoying!!

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Brutus
06/05/2012 18:41

Modigliani
11/13/2011 16:10

Ted,

That's a shame you had such audio troubles. If I remember correctly, Marisa wants some type of scoop from Gosling. He denies her. She says "I thought we were friends" which echoes Gosling's earlier plea to Tomei when she was going to print the story about him meeting with Giamatti. It's another demonstration of: look at how much Gosling has matured.

I don't think the interview is supposed to be an expose. It's supposed to be "an interview with the campaign manager". But it's a big deal interview, on the public scale of giving a "60 Minutes" interview, I imagine.

More important than the Tomei conversation is the Clooney speech being played on the monitor as Gosling is sitting in the chair, awaiting the start of the interview. "It's a speech about decency, about honor, about doing the right thing. Morris's words happen to also be the topics on Stephen's mind. It's a deft touch of irony. But also foreshadowing. And elucidation (about Stephen's thoughts, which we're never really privy to)."

Glad you find us here at MMI worth following. We work hard.

Cheers

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Ted
11/13/2011 18:22

Thanks for the reply... I did catch the connection of what Morris was saying... the ending was just so abrupt, that I was not sure what had happened... or what was happening. I thought the acting was excellent by all concerned, Paul G and Phillip SH sometimes annoy the Hell out of me, but not in this movie.

Looking forward to checking in again... especially when I have a case to be investigated!

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12/03/2011 11:19

The ending could be interpreted in two ways ; either he was going to expose the Governor in the interview (which i doubt). My opinion is has himself become immoral, corrupt, backstabbing and continues on enhancing his career, it ends with him becoming something he detested at the beginning.

I was hoping that he would somehow expose the Governor and take over as Governor and bring back Seymour as his Campaign Manager; therefore good guy wins, but this movie was all about politicians hence all made out as the bad guys.

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Modigliani
12/03/2011 12:57

Hey sufijedi,

Yeah, that's a valid interpretation of the end. That's why Clooney chose to end how Ides ended: politics is a mixed bag, it's morally gray, most politicians are corrupt. So he ends at a spot where you have to decide for yourself if you think Stephen has become as corrupt as the rest or if he's retained some type of honor.

For the record, I have zero doubts Stephen revealed what the Governor had done. If we only had the plot to go by, I'd be less sure. But the title seals the deal. The good guy does win, but it's not by taking over the crown and changing the system (like "Count of Monte Cristo"). It's through self-sacrifice.

That's the great thing about art though: it's relative to you. You brought all of your beliefs and experiences to the movie. You watch it, and you formed an opinion based on those beliefs and experiences. There is no right answer. There's only how it made you feel. We can discuss it, and the new experience of hearing someone else's opinion can make you view the movie in a new light, but, at the end of the day, there is no right answer. If after this conversation you still believe Stephen became bad, that's cool and 100% accurate. But I will continue to say the movie works as a Shakespearian tragedy (hence the title) and Stephen brings down the Governor as Brutus did Caesar.

Cheers

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English Teacher
12/04/2011 01:19

I hope my students read this. I will recommend this. Has clarified my response. Of course he revealed all. We can idealize through film. The title provides strong evidence almost impossible to refute.

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Modigliani
12/27/2011 21:43

Glad to help clarify. I hope your students see the movie (or did you have them see it for class?). And, of course, read this.

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12/04/2011 13:47

Hi Modigliani

Thanks for your interesting reply. After taking into everything into consideration including what you wrote; especially the title and its significance i have come to the conclusion that he does in fact reveal all.

I like your analogy: Stephen (Ryan Gosling) is Brutus and Governor Morris (Clooney) is Julius Caesar and making caparisons to Shakespeare's play convinced me.

However the other side of the argument is Ides of March is about backstabbing excuse the pun lol and betrayal.

Tom Duffy(Paul Gimatti)a fellow democrat betrays him by deliberately compromising his job.

Paul Zara (Seymour) betrays him by exposing him to the media

Ida the reporter (Marisa) who he always helped betrays him by doing a story on him.

Governor Mike (Clooney) his hero the one he looked up to betrays him by getting rid of him.

Senator Thompson seems to be betraying everyone.

Finally Stephen (Gosling) betrays himself and Molly.

The lust of power in the dirty game of politics makes individuals behave like Brutus and Co.... but as i have already mentioned i'll go with the Shakespearian example...

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12/04/2011 13:47

Hi Modigliani

Thanks for your interesting reply. After taking into everything into consideration including what you wrote; especially the title and its significance i have come to the conclusion that he does in fact reveal all.

I like your analogy: Stephen (Ryan Gosling) is Brutus and Governor Morris (Clooney) is Julius Caesar and making caparisons to Shakespeare's play convinced me.

However the other side of the argument is Ides of March is about backstabbing excuse the pun lol and betrayal.

Tom Duffy(Paul Gimatti)a fellow democrat betrays him by deliberately compromising his job.

Paul Zara (Seymour) betrays him by exposing him to the media

Ida the reporter (Marisa) who he always helped betrays him by doing a story on him.

Governor Mike (Clooney) his hero the one he looked up to betrays him by getting rid of him.

Senator Thompson seems to be betraying everyone.

Finally Stephen (Gosling) betrays himself and Molly.

The lust of power in the dirty game of politics makes individuals behave like Brutus and Co.... but as i have already mentioned i'll go with the Shakespearian example...

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Modigliani
12/27/2011 21:51

Puns are always welcome!

You're very right. No one's innocent in this movie. It's quite "brutus". (bad pun on "brutal").

The thing that becomes interesting is how Stephen's final betrayal differs from the rest. Duffy's is a chess move. Zara's is because of broken trust. Ida's is for her job. Clooney's is the shallowest, was for lust. Or maybe Thompson's is the shallowest...his is lust, but lust for prominence, fame. Stephen's betrayals are "because he didn't know better" (the meeting with Duffy), "because he was being selfish" (not answering Molly's calls), and "because Clooney is a hypocrite". As an act of redemption and expose, the last betrayal is the most noble in the entire movie. But it's also the most bitter, because it arises only because all involved have made the wrong decisions. I want to say the act becomes a reckoning for the system itself, but that's probably going too grand.

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averka
12/04/2011 23:32

This clarified so much for me, thanks!

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Modigliani
12/27/2011 21:52

You're welcome!

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Eric Provencher
12/13/2011 09:29

Speaking of "how Gostling character has matured":

I think that when he tells Marisa Tomei that she is his "best friend" he really means that NOW he knows he is all alone and has NO friend at all...

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Modigliani
12/27/2011 21:52

I agree with that.

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Laura
12/03/2012 23:09

She is the only one that shows who she really is from the beginning

PS: I'm so glad I found this explanations, thanks!!

Modigliani
12/03/2012 23:44

Glad to help, Laura! And you're right, Marissa was pretty straight-up from the get-go. Hope you continue to visit the site.

Snazzy
12/14/2011 16:41

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Felipe Barroeta
12/15/2011 22:58

Hi all! Interesting view on Ide's end.

I must say the first thing that came to my mind was that Stephen was going to reveal everything. Then I thought "yeah, but they are all politicians, Stephen let the girl alone" so then I thought ha became one of the cold blooded ones.

Then I read about the title "the ides of march" (which I did not know what it meant i must admit) and the view of Modigliani makes a lot of sense. Actually, it is I think by the time the senator endorses Morris we can see he's tired of it all as everybody is cheering but he stays there motionless, as a counter part of how convinced he showed he was at the movie's beginning speeches. Finally, the analogy Caesar-Brutus is absolutely convincing.

A great movie, cheers for Mr. Clooney.

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Modigliani
12/27/2011 21:58

I was on my way to the theater going, "What's 'Ides' mean?", googling it on my phone. Without that knowledge, I have no idea what my initial reaction would have been to the film's conclusion. With that information, when Gosling looked at the camera, I got goosebumps.

You make a good point: I think it's cool that Stephen seems so...energetic and care-free at the beginning, and so weary and weight-bearing by the end.

Thanks for the comments!

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May
12/23/2011 03:43

Hi, All.
Interesting thoughts. I'd like to venture mine to the ending. I recall Clooney mentioned " 8 yeras..." to Ryan who replied (something like)"..Not so fast, let's look st 4 years ..." Can we interpret this that Ryan aims to take over in the next run for president?

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Modigiliani
12/27/2011 22:06

Hi May.

I can't quite remember when this conversation occurred. It was earlier in the movie, right? Before Gosling found out about Clooney's affair with Wood? I do remember him saying it. All I thoguht was that the conversation was demonstrating Gosling's level-headedness, his approach as a campaign manager/assistant cm.

I don't know if the character would run for president though. Before finding out about Clooney and Wood, all Gosling wanted was for Clooney to succeed, he was that passionate. Afterward, I don't think Gosling's thinking further ahead than giving Clooney his comeuppance.

After that? He could very well decide to run for President.

Thanks for your thoughts!

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Elísabet
01/21/2012 20:03

No. He said it when they met in the dark kitchen. Clooney doesnt want to tie himself to Gosling the next 8 years and Gosling asks him not to get ahead of himself.

Orbit
12/23/2011 08:50

Hi Modigliani
I like your explanation of the ending very much, but when I read and watched interviews with Clooney and Heslov, they said nothing, what I can consider as a confirmation of your theory. Do you think, they will be quiet about it, if it's so important twist?

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Modigliani
12/27/2011 22:19

Hey Orbit,

I do think they'll be quiet about it.

That Clooney and Heslov had an intended ending (the betrayal), I firmly believe. Why the ambiguity, then? Maybe they thought it'd be better to end with a "what do you think he did?" because it incites conversation, or is artistic and unconventional, or because it gives the title a ton of power, or because politics are ambiguous, or, because, like politics, people will be split into two primary parties (those that think he revealed all, or those that think he sold out) and thus the conclusion divides/connects people the way politics inevitably will--or all of the above.

But if you're going to have an ambiguous ending, you wouldn't spoil it by saying in an interview what is the right way to view the movie.

We could argue this also gets at politics, and that while people will argue about the way a government should operate, there's an obvious conclusion ("The Ides of March" refers to Shakespeare which refers to Caesar's betrayal which means Gosling betrayed Clooney) but one must be informed to know that conclusion. Without the proper information, people will think the wrong thing.

We could discuss the implications of this film for a long time.

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Daniel
12/30/2011 01:30

Hello people, there is something that I didn't quite understood, near the end of the movie, there is a young woman carrying coffe and then, I think, asking for a phone... who was she? She introduces herself, but I did't get what she said. It's related to the main plot?

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Modigliani
12/30/2011 01:56

Hey Daniel,

I'm actually going to do an inquiry about this because a lot of people actually visit the site after googling "intern at the end of Ides of March".

Short response: the girl is the replacement of Evan Rachel Wood. Notice she looks a lot like Evan Rachel Wood. She's young, attractive, carrying coffee the same way ERW was at the start of the movie. Wood is dead, but the political machine has moved on, replaced her with yet another hot intern. To me, this hints at the notion that "history is doomed to repeat itself". That the individuals may change, but the stereotypes won't: the hot intern, the up-and-comer, the sneaky reporter, the grizzled veteran, the rival, the politician who is too good to be true (and sleeps with the hot intern).

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Daniel
12/30/2011 02:24

Ahhh it was that then, thanks a lot, the part that left me with the doubt was that she asked for a phone, I thought she was from the news or something and Stephen had left the phone there for her to pick it up.

There is something about the main character that.. I don't know, I'm not totally sure that he'll do the right thing at the end. He was ready to give the information to Tom Duffy in revenge for beeing fired (and to get the job), ok, after that the girl died, and that may have changed things, but the character felt more like a young ambitious man, with some ethics, rather than a young ethic man with some ambtions jajaja
I don't know, it left me 50/50.

Great blog btw, I'm gonna be reading it!

Devin
05/22/2012 10:04

A note about the new intern. I may be looking too far in to this, but when she is asked "Are you a bearcat?" She replies with "No, I'm from Columbus. I'm a buckeye." Being from Columbus as well I know our mascot is Brutus the Buckeye. I found this as another hint foreshadowing Gosling's betrayal.

Modigliani
12/31/2011 00:48

Weebly won't let me reply under your second response, so I'm just replying here.

I agree with your assessment. He is capable of either action. Which I think is intended. But the title and the similarities to Brutus and Caesar (as portrayed by Shakespeare) make me believe Gosling did the deed.

Glad you like it! If there's ever a specific question you want answered, or you just want to talk movies: send an e-mail to modigmovie@gmail.com or use the "submit an inquiry" page at the top of the screen. MMI will get on it.

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Anthony
01/02/2012 17:02

I think we are supposed to feel like he was going to expose the governor but I don't believe he would do this. Why? Simply because he would go to jail for blackmail. Like Morris said, he knows he's not wearing a wire because Stephen would not do well in jail.

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Modigliani
01/03/2012 04:00

Hey Anthony,

I think the point is arguable. Would he go to jail for blackmail? Could Morris prove Stephen blackmailed him? We could also argue that Morris was bluffing, trying to scare Stephen. The same way parents tell kids that if they try to catch Santa Claus he won't bring them presents.

Despite what I just said, I do think it's a great point for those in the "He Doesn't Expose Morris" camp, and one I hadn't thought of. We've been thinking of making a list of arguments for Tells-All and for Keeps Mouth Shut. So this will help.

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Andy
01/03/2012 17:20

Thanks for all your insights, this really helps to get rid of the puzzled look on my face, that I had after comming out of the movie just now :-)

I do think that the new intern is picking up Molly's phone (she says "I've come to pick up A certain phone", that must be THE phone), and that she is delivering it probably to Ida (that's why she's still Stephen's "best friend") while Stephen is busy stabbing Morris in the back. The phone containing the note that deliveres the evidence on how Stephen brings down Morris.

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Michael
01/06/2012 12:09

Nice explanation... this movie is great... George Clooney suited well as a presidential candidate... he has the charismatic face for that...

Well this movie certainly make me to remember not to judge the book from its cover :)

I think the ending itself will be different for everyone to interpret... People with more realistic way of thinking will tend to believe that stephen won't leak it and it can't be... then somehow the opposite one (maybe somehow we can call them idealistic) will think that stephen will leak it etc... or maybe you're in the middle etc.. the point is "we are what we think"...

Is there any real idealistic person in politics? In my opinion a lot more people now are realistic specially in politics... sorry to say this... But realistic thinking is somehow corrupt... it come from the harshness truth of life... a lot of person when in stephen position will justify that it's ok not to leak... who's gonna ruin their life in reality? wake up man.. that's what the realistic person think...

anyway modigliani... i was thinking the same... If he want to leak it he might want to get right position... not disgruntled ex-employee...

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Igor
01/06/2012 20:39

I was a bit confused with the end sceene, and now that I know what the title means I'm still confused!

It's just that the idea of Gosling revealing everything to the public seems too idealistic and it would spoil the otherwise great movie. It's mentioned that he made sure he was in the right position to stab Clooney in the back, but he did go to the fat bearded guy first, and that position (the position of someone who switched sides) is not much different than the position of a frustrated fired employee, back-stabing wise, isn't it?

It seemes more likely to me that Gosling realized that everyone was dirty and if he wanted to survive in politics he had to forget his ideals and accept the new rules. In a way, that IS a happy ending - the protagonist wins - even though he bacomes something he used to hate.

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tim
02/03/2012 05:02

That is not a happy ending. A successful protagonist does not make it happy.

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Michael
01/08/2012 23:44

Thanks for the explanation, very interesting. I'm not sure I got 100% of the dialogue, so I wasn't confident at what was happening at the end, but my feeling was rather like the president was going to get fucked.

I mean I saw the tears in his eyes when he found Molly dead; his gaze when he called the governour after the speech. To me he does more look like the honorable type of person. Really good actor by the way.

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Sonee
01/17/2012 03:30

Interesting comments...just curious about Cassius in the pursuit of the Ides of March...

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Mark Anthony
01/18/2012 14:49

There is something about the ending that I have picked up on which I'm not sure anyone else has, or even if I am just seeing things in the movie.

But it's to do with Molly.......After Stephen leaves Morris's speech, he walks to the area which is reserved for the Morris team to collect his jacket from the guy who replaced his role after Zara fired him. He calmly collects his jacket, and in the same scene a new intern appears asking for a phone.

Is that girl not Molly who has just dyed her hair a different color? The camera stays on her for a few seconds and it is a very unusual scene to come between Morris's speech and Stephen's interview if it wasn't Molly......

It throws up huge questions of the suicide....if you in fact note in the movie you never see Molly's face as "she" is lying on the ground dead after the overdose. And if you note her last voice-mail to Stephen was "I'm not going away".

To me the ending doesn't make sense if Molly did in fact not actually die and did come back into the campaign trail. Did she and Stephen plan this? Or it's all Molly's doing? Or maybe I'm just seeing things and getting 5 out of 2+2.......

Let me know what you guys think.....

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Gaye Metzger
01/18/2012 17:26

Mark, I think you are close to unraveling the mystery. I agree with you that the new girl is indeed Molly, retrieving her own phone which contains the "evidence". The man leaving the room of Molly's alleged suicide perhaps was planting Molly's phone in the unknown deceased girl's room. One other scene in question was the "fired" compaign manager who stated at the funeral he was a long-time friend of the family, which might work into the scenario as well. Maybe there will be a sequel!!

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Gaye Metzger
01/18/2012 17:47

Mark: Molly's Dad was head of the DNC. So Molly, Dad, and Paul may have set the stage together.......attempting to keep Steve from spilling the beans on Morris.

Mark Anthony
01/18/2012 18:36

Was thinking along those lines but I couldn't figure out the Dad part of that. He indeed buries his daughter. Although we know that Molly constantly refers to him as an asshole, pardon the language, but is he that much of an asshole to stage his own daughters death? What has he to gain?

Stephen is Brutus in the movie. Start's off being in awe of his leader, lives on his every word, but gets turned by the mob and in the end you are left wondering if Stephen is about to stab Morris in the back in the interview at the end, for sure an "Et tu, Brute?" moment.

Or is it Stephen saying that after Molly stabs him in the back?

Hopefully there is a sequel

tim
02/03/2012 05:05

Are you guys serious? It's not molly. Jesus christ. A sequel? I bet you all get real excited for every new transformers movie.

Rose
01/21/2012 09:51

My first thoughts on the movie when it ended was that this was very "Lady or the Tiger" (an old short story where you pick the ending) modeled. If you are a cynic... Gosling's character becomes "one of them" typical/corrupt politicians. If you are not.. he becomes the hero and exposes corruption. The last intern looked to me like Molly w/ a hair coloring. That adds drama to the story too. When she stated her name.. .didn't she have the same last name as the Governor.. but no relation she stated. Anyone think that means something??

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Elísabet
01/21/2012 20:10

Thank you for coming up on my google search at the moment of ending Ides of March. I was very bothered being left hanging and it is exactly as Rose here says: If you are a cynic he doesnt tell...if you are not, hes a hero.

All I need is love and I believe in fairies and tootsie rolls so Stephen is a hero. I just soooo wanted the juicy bits of him telling Morris off.

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A
01/22/2012 23:13

I would agree that he's about to provide an expose. As he tells the reporter (Tomei), "you are my best friend." It sounds like a cynical/ sarcastic statement, but I think it's an somewhat truthful statement. She is the only person that wants to expose the truth--she's reporting for the Times and telling every story she can get her hands on. Plus, she comes to the characters to allow them to tell her the truth. Thus, the exchange between Stephen and the reporter holds some significance when you think about the reporter's role as a person seeking the truth.

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tim
02/03/2012 05:09

And maybe stephen's ultimate betrayal was not his potential expose, but a betrayal of "his best friend" the truth (or the woman who represents it.)

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tmolly
03/02/2012 14:35

I'm coming to this discussion late, as I saw the movie recently, but I agree. I think the, "Stephen is Brutus and Morris is Caesar" interpretation is a very superficial way of explaining the movie's title.

I saw this movie knowing what the title meant, and I felt that Stephen had his, "Et tu, Brute?" moment in the last scene, when he's coming to terms with the fact that he has killed the honesty within himself. Your mention of Tomei representing "the truth," and "the truth" being his best friend is spot-on -- love this analogy.

There are films where the protagonist has a change of heart and exposes the truth in the end, but that doesn't fit in with the nuances and tone of this film. "Hero saves the day" movies usually end with the hero saving the day, not just "implied saving." Plus, "Politician Hero saves the day??" -- come on...

Jeff
01/23/2012 01:11

I think Ryan is definitely going to do a tell all for sure. The look he had when he was walking up to that seat told it all. He had always idolized him hence brutus and now he stabs him in the back. Also idk if anyone realized the blonde lady at te very end when ryan sits down in the chair. Who is she?? Next.. Molly I believe is not alive anymore. She is the reason Ryan does the tell all. He feels guilty for what has happened and realizes that no longer could be allow the corrupt nature to continue. He took down all the corruptness that happened throughout the movie and becomes the good guy.

With all that said. This movie was wonderfully put together. I could watch it over again and think of it completely different.

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ely
01/23/2012 03:22

I also left the movie wondering about Molly and the new intern...whether there was a connection there. First thoughts were a faked suicide or just the foreshadowing of a repeated political cycle...but I feel like it may be something more. I recall that in the first scene with Molly and Stephen, it started with a discussion about the new phones, she mentioned working with him before, and indicated her hair color was different. He also asked her if she was a Bearcat. At the end when the new intern showed up- she looked like Molly with different hair, arrived to pick up a phone, and Ben (I believe it was Ben) asked her if she was a Bearcat (to which she replied no, a Buckeye). Is there something there?

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kellyjam
01/24/2012 08:06

He was definitely exposing the governor at the end! Several things lead us to assume this.

First, the theme of Brutus and Caesar, who in the end is killed, not enveloped in some twisted conspiracy and allowed to retain his authority forever, if you will.

Second, there was no note. The whole thing was a power play set up because the only way Stephen could get the credibility to out Morris (not as a disgruntled fired employer as Morris implies) was as head of his staff. This also allows him to do it without having to require Molly's testimony which would kill her socially for sure, if you believe the end girl was Molly with her hair changed which I think may be possible. You might say, "well he still doesn't have proof, but he doesn't need it. His goal is not to send Morris to jail, but to kill his campaign, which he didn't need proof for; just enough credibility to make everyone believe him and put Morris on the terminal defensive- another political theme of the movie.

Third, because contrary to what others have commented, I do not believe Stephen was meant to portray "a bad guy" or someone who went bad, but in fact he initially told Paul of the meeting, admitting it was a mistake. Paul did not have to leak it and doing so was wrong. The central theme I believe is really, everyone makes mistakes, but integrity, if you will, is living up to those mistakes, by being honest in the end, and how in politics particularly this is incredibly rare because of the high stakes involved. Stephen reaffirms this about his character throughout the film and especially in his conversation with the governor on the plane where he states, "I'll say anything.. if I believe in the cause" This is what allowed him to lie to the governor about the note, because ultimately the cause was 1. to protect the American people from getting a president who was not in their best interest and in fact immoral, and 2. to a lesser extent perhaps, to vindicate Molly.

I'm interested to hear what people think about my assessment. :)

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kellyjam
01/24/2012 08:06

He was definitely exposing the governor at the end! Several things lead us to assume this.

First, the theme of Brutus and Caesar, who in the end is killed, not enveloped in some twisted conspiracy and allowed to retain his authority forever, if you will.

Second, there was no note. The whole thing was a power play set up because the only way Stephen could get the credibility to out Morris (not as a disgruntled fired employer as Morris implies) was as head of his staff. This also allows him to do it without having to require Molly's testimony which would kill her socially for sure, if you believe the end girl was Molly with her hair changed which I think may be possible. You might say, "well he still doesn't have proof, but he doesn't need it. His goal is not to send Morris to jail, but to kill his campaign, which he didn't need proof for; just enough credibility to make everyone believe him and put Morris on the terminal defensive- another political theme of the movie.

Third, because contrary to what others have commented, I do not believe Stephen was meant to portray "a bad guy" or someone who went bad, but in fact he initially told Paul of the meeting, admitting it was a mistake. Paul did not have to leak it and doing so was wrong. The central theme I believe is really, everyone makes mistakes, but integrity, if you will, is living up to those mistakes, by being honest in the end, and how in politics particularly this is incredibly rare because of the high stakes involved. Stephen reaffirms this about his character throughout the film and especially in his conversation with the governor on the plane where he states, "I'll say anything.. if I believe in the cause" This is what allowed him to lie to the governor about the note, because ultimately the cause was 1. to protect the American people from getting a president who was not in their best interest and in fact immoral, and 2. to a lesser extent perhaps, to vindicate Molly.

I'm interested to hear what people think about my assessment. :)

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01/28/2012 23:14

The intern at the end is credited as another actress, her name was Jill.

As for the blackmail problem Stephen would have faced if he outed everyone, remember his meeting with Thompson? He never said a word. So he could have taped that without incriminating himself. Just a thought.

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Scott
02/04/2012 00:20

I scrolled the entire post to find another who felt that conversation was recorded. I agree completely Ben. Great minds...

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TK
02/05/2012 09:08

M, you have very compelling arguments for Stephen spilling the beans...but I have to go with SD on this one. I, too, thought the movie was about Stephen's transformation from "goose-bumpy" naive new guy to bumped & bruised seasoned veteran.

Throughout the movie he wears Democratic blue (right down to his boxers in the hotel....), but at the end he is wearing a red tie. Does this represent that he's willing to "get down in the mud" as Giamatti's character warned the Dems would have to do to win?? I don't know...but I think Stephen has taken the rose-colored glasses off & he's ready to play the game the way it's played. He won't sink Morris.

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rutch
03/03/2012 17:20

all very insightful/interesting ... i do wonder why this has not been mentioned, since I cannot get the notion out of my head ... it would be absolutely awful for stephen to out morris because he would be bringing molly down, too, and tainting her name and wishes ... she killed herself to prevent an expose ... this would make stephen totally ruthless ... not a hero ...

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Joseph
02/20/2012 18:24

Is the woman with blond hair at end either Gennifer Flowers or woman in John Kerry Sex scandel?

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Maria
03/04/2012 09:32

Hi,

Great blog. I have just watched this movie the second time, it's really well made. I think Gosling tells the story, but it's cool that you actually have to think about it and make your own decision.

I have a different question about the Molly character - why does she commit suicide? She learns that Gosling has been fired and is making threats to expose the Governor. Is she just depressed and can't take the pressure after the abortion? Or is she so ashamed of what she has done that she doesn't want to face her dad once angry Gosling spills out the beans? Or does she want to bring the attention back to herself and hurt Morris? Or maybe she thinks they fired Gosling because he found out about the pregnancy and she is upset that she ruined not only her career but also his? It just doesn't make sense to me that she would go to the extent of overdosing..Any thoughts? It might just be a weak point in the plot...Or did I miss something?

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Dali
10/22/2012 21:25

My take was that it was purely to avoid humiliation. She can't borrow a few hundred bucks from her very rich, influential father? Something about him being one of those uber conservatives. But then again why does anyone overdose? That's the broader questions. Trying to rationalize and irrational action is an exercise in futility Maria.

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Laura
12/03/2012 23:38

I think Clooney kills her! Her last call was to him, he founds out she's pregnant and murders her, not suicide to me!!

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pk
03/20/2012 11:48

It seems to me Gosling did have proof. when he takes Molly to the clinic, he is given a paper which he folds in half and keeps. I took this as a receipt for the money for the clinic. Am wondering why it never surfaces again.

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Izzy
03/26/2012 00:23

Pk,

The receipt would only prove she had an abortion but wouldn't tie Morris (Clooney) to the pregnancy.

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pk
03/26/2012 12:01

Ely--I watched the movie again along with the comments Clooney made on the "specials" on the DVD. He said the new intern had the same bouncy step as Molly and it was just to show that everyone is replaceable and the circle begins again.

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03/26/2012 16:59

THX for info

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What?
04/07/2012 15:52

What!? I read "Modigliani's" idea in sheer disbelief-how anyone could have such a fairytale notion of the events in the film is frankly absurd. I appreciate you people want a happy ending (not trying to be biased but mainly americans) but this is a taught, grim political thriller. Why should I have integrity when it gets me defeated? Why should I play the good guy? Stephen really didn't give a damn about Molly or else he would of picked her up from the bloody clinic!

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Modigliani
04/07/2012 16:36

"Frankly absurd"? You have a knack for hyperbole.

I made an interpretation based on evidence the movie presents. It's an argument. You disagree. Awesome.

But the questions you raise--"why should I have dignity...", "why should I play the good guy?"--are the exact questions every politician, every person, must ask themself. And the way you answer that question shows everything about who you are as a person.

There's evidence that Stephen realizes his selfishness has repercussions, and there's evidence he decided to play the game.

But it sounds like you don't view the world in a way that allows you to even see the possibility of a moral transformation in Stephen. "Franky absurd"? It's not that absurd. People feel bad, feel regret, and want to atone every day. If people couldn't become "good" we wouldn't be having this discussion. We'd all have killed each other long ago.

Hopefully your world outlook isn't as bleak as your comment makes it seem.

Maybe he didn't care about Molly, but my argument is: Stephen was selfish and self-concerned, failed to pick up Molly, and she committed suicide BECAUSE OF HIM. Have you ever been 100% of the reason someone committed suicide? That wouldn't make you re-evaluate your life and what you've been doing with it? He's listening to the voicemails she left him, and I think he's understanding the impact a person can have on the lives of others. And he regrets, he wants to atone.

Frankly, I think it's fucking absurd to think people are so callous.

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Modigliani
04/07/2012 16:44

*to think all people could be so callous

Bach
05/05/2012 20:42

Modigliani, Although the title of the film has been taken from the shakespeare play, and by doing so we must lead our thinking to the "Doing Right" way. I think that the sakespearean betrayal that Stephen made was to change all the course of the events by taking control of the whole situation in order to put Morris on the white house for 4 or maybe 8 years (as Steven said) and made a puppet out of Morris with the menace of some day he maybe have to tell the truth. And by this way he could start to change things without lose his career in politics . Cause lets be honest, if he reveal all the truth, in the real world nothing will change, only that they will disapear and other ones will take the same posts. I mean Stephen become a sort of Dick Cheney but working for the correct side. Working for the people and not for the corporations. Let us be realistics, there's no romantic way to change the world by yourself alone, you must use the current order in order to change it.
P.S.: sorry about my english I'm from Argentina.
And by the way, I'm not supporting the clown we have as president right now. I feel sorry about the argentinians that support that stupid woman in Argentina gobernment.

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Modigliani
05/21/2012 02:09

Hey Bach,

Your english was pretty good!

I like your theory about Stephen turning Morris into a puppet.

Honestly, I don't even think my "idealistic" ending is "the right" ending. I'm inclined to it, because it suits my view of the world. But I think Clooney set the movie up to not have a "proper" conclusion. Which means that as long as you can build a solid argument for a theory, it's totally valid.

It's kind of a "pick your own conclusion" type of movie.

I don't know much about Cristina. Would you mind educating me a bit? What don't you like about her?

Thanks for the comment!

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Jurisdictions
06/05/2013 03:05

This theory makes the most sense to me. If you ever looked at the picture publicising the movie (the one on the DVD box) it shows our main guy showing half his face with Clooney. So, it would make sense to me, that he is the "Shadow President" so to speak.

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Alexus
05/09/2012 12:58

Did any of you see a suicide note in the room? I don't think that Molly wrote one (what would her gains be by doing that - only dishonor to both her name and the family's).

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Modigliani
05/21/2012 02:10

There was no note visible in the film. And we see a shot of the notepad sitting on the bedside stand. It's quite possible Stephen was straight lying.

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Dv
06/09/2012 01:46

The key point comes when Morris asks Ryan what he wan
ts during the extortion scene. Ryan not only wants the top post, he tells Morris that he must take the White House and do the things that he and Morris both believe in to "fix" the country. The warning about 4 years "first" is another shot /extortion of Morris. If Morris does not follow through on his campaign promises in the first 4 years, Ryan can destroy his chances for 8. Any connection to some left wing dissapointment with Obama? A fundraising party at Clooney's house says otherwise.

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Dv
06/09/2012 01:53

Correction to above. Ryan should be Stephen.

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RM
06/18/2012 08:47

What a great movie and I am so happy I found this! It has been so interesting to read. So here is my take:

Stephen is actually acting selfless and in his selflessness protecting the ideals that he stands for which he believes are inthe greater good of society overall. But what we do not know is how this will ultimately impact his political destiny. Why do I think this?

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RM
06/18/2012 08:51

I think this because I think there was a note left by Molly and it said that Stephen was the father (she said on the phone she was not going away). I think she killed herself to protect her father and the President. Both Stephen and Morris erred - Stephen legally - I think at one point she said she was a teen; and Morris morally because he was married.

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RM
06/18/2012 09:15

(Sorry for the cut-ups. This is my first time writing like this.) Stephen said he would do whatever he believed in. If there was a note, he didn't outright lie - Morris played out the scenario and Stephen said it was his call. He believed Molly was 20 because that is what she said. They chose a "legal" state. He wouldn't have made that choice otherwise. I also think Ida was truly his best friend because she helped him to see how the game was really played and ultimately saved his political life. Given the choice of sharing Morris' misnomer or "getting out of the game" because of other's deceet both did not serve the higher cause of his belief I what best served the majority. He did the best he could in the situation he was in to get the best probable outcome for the most people. That's my take...

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sjakldfjlask
10/22/2012 18:51

lol dude. he was being OUTWARDLY obnoxious and facetious to Ida. He still had HUGE disdain for her, b/c she's a filthy backstabber.

I think he DID, in his sarcasm, reveal that it was through her wrongdoing that he saw the "light" of how politics really works, but you're kidding yourself SERIOUSLY if you think he actually meant that she was his "friend", even in the tiniest slightest bit.

He said it with disdain on his face, and vinegar in his mouth. He was BOLDLY STATING that he'd passed her by, but also ADMITTING slyly that through her screwing him over, he had grown up, and now sees the political world for what it really is - a bunch of disingenuous bastards who will smile to your face and stab you in the back.

He's beyond all that now. He will either continue on the campaign and "get his" selfishly and bypass all those that got in his way, or he'll throw Morris to the dogs and avenge the girl and reclaim his (and America's) integrity...

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sjakldfjlask
10/22/2012 18:51

lol dude. he was being OUTWARDLY obnoxious and facetious to Ida. He still had HUGE disdain for her, b/c she's a filthy backstabber.

I think he DID, in his sarcasm, reveal that it was through her wrongdoing that he saw the "light" of how politics really works, but you're kidding yourself SERIOUSLY if you think he actually meant that she was his "friend", even in the tiniest slightest bit.

He said it with disdain on his face, and vinegar in his mouth. He was BOLDLY STATING that he'd passed her by, but also ADMITTING slyly that through her screwing him over, he had grown up, and now sees the political world for what it really is - a bunch of disingenuous bastards who will smile to your face and stab you in the back.

He's beyond all that now. He will either continue on the campaign and "get his" selfishly and bypass all those that got in his way, or he'll throw Morris to the dogs and avenge the girl and reclaim his (and America's) integrity...

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sjakldfjlask
10/22/2012 18:51

lol dude. he was being OUTWARDLY obnoxious and facetious to Ida. He still had HUGE disdain for her, b/c she's a filthy backstabber.

I think he DID, in his sarcasm, reveal that it was through her wrongdoing that he saw the "light" of how politics really works, but you're kidding yourself SERIOUSLY if you think he actually meant that she was his "friend", even in the tiniest slightest bit.

He said it with disdain on his face, and vinegar in his mouth. He was BOLDLY STATING that he'd passed her by, but also ADMITTING slyly that through her screwing him over, he had grown up, and now sees the political world for what it really is - a bunch of disingenuous bastards who will smile to your face and stab you in the back.

He's beyond all that now. He will either continue on the campaign and "get his" selfishly and bypass all those that got in his way, or he'll throw Morris to the dogs and avenge the girl and reclaim his (and America's) integrity...

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Rm
06/18/2012 09:19

The end is perfect because it symbolizes we all have a free will and each decision we make has consequences. You can't know what to do until the time. Ones. No one can predict the future.

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MRD
06/25/2012 11:31

I believe that the movie was deliberately made so that either ending could be believed. Before reading the blog I came to the conclusion that Stephen was going to tell, but now I'm inclined to believe that he was going to play along with the system to ultimately get a president who would make changes he believed in. The one thing that hung with me at the end and made me believe that he would tell is the look in his face as he sat for the interview. To me he appeared Angry. I believed that his anger was toward himself for failing Molly, to his failed career, towards the betrayal by people he believed in (Morris, Paul and to a certain extent Giamati).
What was your reading of his expression as he sat for the interview?

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Jenny
07/08/2012 06:07

i just watched the movie and i did not know the context of the film in terms of the title and the origin of the title. but i did understand the motif, it reminded me a lot of the other plays such as Brecht's play "the resistible rise of Arturo Ui" and dario fo's play on "the accidental death of an anarchist". both had ambiguous endings and the critique nature towards the corrupted people within the political and justice system. i love how the film is non dated, in terms that history does repeat itself if we as society do not change, if the system doesn't change. like brutus and cesar, those events still happen, a cycle, which is how the film ended. i think the cycling nature just symbolises how society works, this is why same-sex marriage is so hard for people to accept in the political world because it breaks the cycle of society and how people are reluctant to change.

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jenny
07/08/2012 06:14

p.s just from the film's poster art we can make the connections to the film's motif and symbolic representation's the the cycling nature of the corrupted political/justice system. we can see Gosling is holding a "times" magazine in his hand half folded against his face. covering his other side of his face with clooney's face (cover of the time magazine). the two faces merging together, almost look alikes, just shows that from the film Steven does become what he resented, he becomes like clooney and did play dirty politics like the others. also gosling is young and clooney is older, it just shows that gosling is on the road of becoming or aging into clooney's character. why time magazine? because Tomei's character works for the Time.

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07/13/2012 03:19

Nice article dude

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Dea
07/28/2012 18:16

I am pretty convinced that he will reveal all. The title to me makes that rather clear. Like Brutus, he stabs his former idol in the back for the greater good, not for his own gain.
He was so in awe of Clooney and after seeing him there with Thompson (of whom Clooney he said he would never promote) it becomes clear to him that Clooney is no better than all the others.

I have to agree that Goosling is highly ambitious in the beginning but I also think that he always needed the belief that he can change politics/the world to keep going. All that crumbled into nothingness.
I can see how people think that the protagonist cannot change but at the same time I think that the scene in the church at the funeral Is also telling. Although Wood's father has always been a devout Catholic he has lost his trust in God and starts to rebel. To me that is a parallel to the Gosling/Clooney relationship.

I therefore think that he has actually seen 'light'.

And on another note: Gosling's character is so smart, I don't think he would contemplate to work with Clooney for 4-8 years. He knows that the future 'president' would find ways to get rid of him. Neither can ever trust each other again.

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Dali
09/14/2012 11:49

Dea, I commend your conviction, but do you really believe the title is all that clear? After all, wasn't Caesar stabbed by a whole crowd of people. Is it at all possible that the massive betrayal alluded to by the title is actually Gosling's character being betrayed by the realism of politics (the belief that politics is driven purely by competitive self interest)? Keep in mind how the phrase "beware the ides of march" is used in modern times

Lastly, I agree Gosling's character is smart. And smart people don't pass up the chance to be the president's chief of staff (the role he has likely headed for)

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08/31/2012 04:53

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DaiQuan
09/10/2012 14:10

I think the Obama connection you just made is pretty obsurd considering that Clooney is Obama's biggest financer politically.

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vishal chaudhary
10/04/2012 04:58

Hey guys
This is the first movie that I watched on american politics....and I must say that the corruption and dirty tricks that politicians play to get to the top are quite the same(even in India I can relate :) )
On to the movie,
After my first watch, I was so confused and thought that steven had changed and would do just a normal interview at the end considering how he replied to ida and blackmailing morris with the intern case.
But now after reading this piece,I think the idealist ending is more heart warming and better for me to believe in and generally fits better.
Good work.

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alskdfjkl;
10/22/2012 18:38

Wow both sides are ridiculously poignant.

I'd have to say honestly though, it's left to be ambiguous, sort of like the ending to American Psycho, with the sound cut off and just a closeup of Patrick Bateman's face with that ringing in his ears.

We just don't know what will happen. I think the point is not so much what HAPPENS, but what's HAPPENED to Gosling. He's CHANGED; regardless of whether he outs the guy or not, he realizes the political world for what it really is.

Thus the "Ides of March". Everyone is screwing everyone over. Friends, confidantes, enemies, everyone is involved in their OWN little "Ides of March". Giamanti screws over Gosling, Gosling screws over Paul, Paul screws over Gosling, Gosling screws over Morris, Ida screws over Gosling... It's a neverending cycle.

Beware, beware the Ides of March....and now Gosling can say he "gets" that now. Frankly though, I think he WILL end up screwing over Morris, one way or the other, whether it's to put him in the corner and get what he wants, or literally out him, but it's for certain that he's disenfranchised, b/c toward the end he has literally NO SMILE on his face; he's expressionless.

I think we're led to believe he WANTS to out Morris. And that's the point. It's the journey into loss of innocence and the loss of adoration for your "king", just in the present day. THAT'S the whole point of the movie. By the end, what he does next is probably immaterial.

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Dali
10/22/2012 21:46

I like your opinion. Your "everyone is screwing everyone" theory is gnarly and makes you sound like a cynical fuck.

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dali is a tiny dicked faggit
10/22/2012 21:58

lmfao actually asshole the ONLY godamm "cynical fuck" is YOU and ONLY you.

your retarded nonsensical post screams "asshurt bipolar paki nigger who has a tiny dick and hates himself and knows NOTHING about movies and is intimidated by real men with actual literate well thought out opinions"

so basically shut your bitch ass up HOMO. not a single godamm thing i said was even remotely fuckin CLOSE to "cynical" stupid little faggit.

grow the hell up and get a life. lol "cynical fuck" i wrote the fuckin TRUTH and you got asshurt so much to the point where you wrote some dumb as shit inbred redneck 2 line little sissyfit response.

while saying absolutely NOTHING of value b/c youre some immigrant illiterate douchebag from pakistan who gets bombed everyday by the u.s. troops.

awwww little baby bitch? actually yes, the movie IS about people screwing eachother over, or did you not watch it ASSHOLE.

and its not even close to bein a "theory" you piece of shit little bitch, its what HAPPENED. so take your daddy's tiny pedo dick out of your ass, get a job, learn actual film theory, and stop gettin raped on message boards by men bigger, smarter, and just straight up better than you'll ever be.

p.s. asshole - i REALLY like your idiotic nontheory about how youre intimidated by opinions. its so sad and pathetic.

oh and your ip address widdle dali is - 12.009.45.82: 665 straight from netstat and the java from this page. now go die of aids like your slut whore pigly ass mommy did ;.

lol ;

dont make me trace that ip find you and beat the shit out of you with a book so atleast someone can beat some sense into literally idiot ;.

Modigliani
10/22/2012 21:58

I like it too. In fact, if you don't mind, I'm going to include it in the inquiry itself, as the neutral 3rd POV. Email me if you want to discuss fleshing it out or keeping it as is, etc. modigmovie@gmail.com

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Modigliani
10/22/2012 22:14

Yooooooooo, chill, please. I don't think Dali meant "cynical fuck" in a negative way. I mean, I get if you don't know him you could take it that way. "Everyone screwing everyone" as the perspective is cynical because it leaves no hope. This is what we see happen in the film--I'm not arguing your point. I just think Dali meant his comment as "you sound like a cynical fuck, and it's cool", the same way as, say, Tyler Durden sounds like a cult leader, and it's cool.

Regardless, It'd be great if you could not respond so...racistly. At least on my site. I don't care about elsewhere.

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jsalkdfjsj
10/22/2012 22:17

One thing is I DON'T take shit from people buddy boy.

Your sites cool and all, and its so nice to see you give me "permission" to be "racist" elsewhere (thank you so much for that lol), but he was a straight up JERK, for NO REASON, and so he got his medicine back in his face 2 fold.

Maybe next time if you want more traffic you wont let some idiot respond with disrespectful rude obnoxious replies.

It's a shit look that really won't garner respect from professionals.

I took the freakin time to reply to your little "site" b/c I liked the movie, and wished to share my opinion.

If it's not liked, so be it.

I'll leave...bye :./

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fsld;kjfd;l
10/22/2012 22:19

also im not in the fuckin LEAST bit "racist" buddy.

again i just dont take shit from people who try and drop f bombs on me, and call me something im NOT, in a rude little dicked obnoxious tone of voice.

its just such an immature way to reply to someone who took their time to craft a thought for your little site.

i thought it'd be appreciated. i guess its not. w/e, laters...

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Modigliani
10/22/2012 22:32

Hate to see you go. I like your thoughts on the movie. You write well. I'm glad you like my "little" site. I don't think you're racist, just saying the names and words you used in your response to Dali were racist-y (and I still don't think he was attempting to insult you, whatever that is worth, nothing I guess, though). I'm glad you took the time to provide your opinion, I think it adds to the discussion. Feel free to come back.

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lskadfjdlkj
10/22/2012 23:00

lol well it is a "little" site buddy, nothing wrong with that no?

and i like to write about movies and sports its my passion.

and really freakin hope you weren't being sarcastic saying "you hate to see me go", b/c i would think you could use a 3rd party like me to add to some of your reviews.

maybe thats just wishful thinking though.

laters...

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Dali
10/22/2012 23:52

Jesus dude. That is some hate rant you just went on. I literally could not have been more sincere. I'm not sure how you so wildly misunderstood that. Perhaps I should've refrained from dropping an f bomb. But you saw my side, it's full of cynicism. Did it even cross your kind that my comment was an endorsement of your opinion

But that racist shit is uncalled for and yeah it's pretty racist. Also what's with the ip tracking. You're going to track me down? You come off as a bit of a sociopath. But I don't really care, words don't bother me as much they clearly do to you. This is my friend's website, so I'm going to go ahead and extend the olive branch despite this incredibly offensive on all levels post of yours.

Next time, just ask for clarification. But again I just don't see how you so wildly misunderstood that especially after you clearly read my side of it

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sdkljfalk;
10/23/2012 07:21

Yea, calling someone youve never even met a cynical "fuck".........yea that's a fuckin dead ringer for an "endorsement".

ARE YOU HIGH?

If you said that to any person where I come from, they'd either stare at you like YOURE the ONLY godamm "sociopathic" one, and then walk away, OR they'd tell you watch your freakin mouth, and tell YOU to walk away.

Did I get defensive? Yep. Am I used to so many assholes on sites talking shit (like on Imdb) for absolutely no reason and am I fed up with it? Yes. Did you say anything remotely close to positive? No. Did you say somethin insulting/"offensive"? YES.

Your own "friend" had to apologize for you on multiple occasions and to my private email.

Next time - I wont ask for clarification either. I'll say what I have to say and be done with this little site. I expect respect, as I give it. And you dont even know me kid, im not in the SLIGHTEST bit "racist", frankly I don't even actually KNOW your race.

And since youre clearly a piece of shit, who follows an insult with an insult IM DONE HERE. I'll talk to your friend, but this site is amateurish as hell if you go around droppin curses and thinking calling someone a "fuck" is normal.

Are you british? Is "cunt" normal to you too dope? It's pretty freakin obvious to me that YOU AND ONLY YOU are the "sociopath" here. You justify your retarded behavior to yourself as normal; I don't justify my behavior, I realize it was a bit crazy; and I'll even say sorry to Mo for having it read that way. that's what happens when you deal with psychos like you all the time online who get all "big and tough" and say shit like "cynical fuck" to you sarcastically and sardonically.

Do you know what the word means. Look it up. Look up cynical too while youre at it.

Your friend seems just a wee bit more groomed as a person. He asked if I'd like to add to this site; I'm going to tell him probably not while you're here. You're the EMBODIMENT of "sociopath". Narcassistic, obnoxious, delusional, and in denial.

Again, I'll say sorry to Mo for getting defensive with your dumb ass, but frankly you remind me of just about every single Youtube user out there - 1 liners that drip with sarcasm, idiocy, and delusions of grandeur.

Oh and I'm more than convinced now after reading your nonsensical "side of it" that you TRULY really are "sociopathic" and probably give people the wrong "impression" of you a lot (aka piss them off).

Cya...

Dali
10/23/2012 09:41

To your latest rant,

You keep saying bye and yet you keep coming back. You managed to rant about an apology too. You're right, I don't know you and I sincerely could not care less about you. Not enough to display the hatred you are showing. Who gets this offended with the word "fuck"? Especially considering what you said:

"while saying absolutely NOTHING of value b/c youre some immigrant illiterate douchebag from pakistan who gets bombed everyday by the u.s. troops."... take your daddy's tiny pedo dick out of your ass, get a job, learn actual film theory, and stop gettin raped on message boards by men bigger, smarter, and just straight up better than you'll ever be."

My friend had to apologize multiple times? Not sure why he would do that... You are quite clearly an asshole... Go away

Modigliani
10/22/2012 23:22

Nah, no sarcasm. We'll discuss via email

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Joce
10/23/2012 03:44

Hi Modigliani,
You are my new hero!! Thanks So much to you and everyone who helped with the ending....... If I could just give my "2 cents worth" ..... My husband and I think the end scene is as the first scene - Steven is just setting up sound and camera etc for Morris to then come in and make another speech - what do you think?

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Dali
10/23/2012 09:46

That's exactly how I took it, same thing, with the addition of overly dramatic subtext

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slakjdfslak
10/24/2012 02:56

lmfao, first off fag, STFU. second off, i can tell your type, your probably british. youre the type that gets into shit with EVERYONE, and no its ONLY pretty "clear" that YOURE the only godamm "asshole" here.

Guess what - that whole trace bit - yea it's legit. I use netstat and ipconfig, which is software based through Linux programs, Java, etc. So if I really wanted to make your life hell (all on the up and up of course) I could... so if I were you I'd apologize and just stfu before things get really crazy here LITTLE DICKED FAG.

Not only are YOU the only one that keeps "ranting", but it's me that's been the one RESPONDING. Keep that in mind you sociopathic fuckin faggit retard. And I don't need you reminding me or anyone else what I said, I was the one who typed it dumb shit.

You insulted me, let's see, 3 fuckin times now. And no its been explained about 3 times now why I said what I said (2x to your supposed "friend" - I dont know why he'd be your friend though youre a fuckin douchebag with no life who keeps replying EVERY single time disrespectfully instead of just ignoring the situation or me if you didn't like me giving you back your own medicine), and I had had ENOUGH with "assholes" like you who say inappropriate shit online for absolutely NO fuckin reason, and think it's normal or cool or w/e goes on in your little brain.

Youre the type of guy who comes to the U.S., says the word "cunt" in front of a buncha ladies, and says "Hey wha'd I say?" when they tell you to "fuck off asshole".

Youre THAT asshole. You just thought you were anonymous online though. LOL. I'll reply (not rant like you do nonsensically) ALL I WANT. Your friend had to "apologize" b/c of how stupid and inappropriate the nature of what you said was, and how you just kept "ranting" like an "asshole" after the fact.

I have the emails if you want to see it. DAMAGE CONTROL.

He also asked for me to write for this site and I declined b/c of YOU.

So why don't you go on line for food stamps now, shut your baby dicked ass up, and "go away", b/c in real life I'd just take a 2x4 and smash your face up if you tried to talk shit to me like this. AND YOU KNOW IT too.

Pff, fuckin immigrants....

Joce
10/25/2012 01:02

Hi Dali - I'm glad we have the same opinion about the ending, your comments earlier show that you are blessed with a brain............and I'm so sorry you are being attacked by that....man? I don't think you deserve it. I feel a little sorry for him actually.............!!

n/a
10/25/2012 01:16

lmfao so we have a few different fags posting on the same damn email...

how pathetic.

hey "joce" aka dali aka travis....

S...T....F....U. "you" dont feel "sorry" for ANYONE but your fuckin self ASSHOLE. if anything i feel sorry for ONLY YOU for continuing to add to a stupid ass situation that YOU created.....

"attacked" lol - i havent attacked you yet homo - but since youre either fuckin posting as different people or probably DIRECTING people to post on here, i think i'll step this up a notch ;.

ironic how there's been 2 different people on the same day responding not to the movie but to coddle you in your time of "pain", whereas before there hadn't been a single fuckin post since almost 3 weeks ago, and then 2 weeks before that). and i checked they're not repeat posters idiot...

I'm gonna go ahead and greenlight the foia request on your name and address.

just to fuck with you.

seriously.

THIS is what i told "mo" about. youve got issues kid. SERIOUS mental issues. the odds of 2 different people posting random nonsensical obnoxious shit all in your fake defense on the SAME day when before my post there hadn't been anyone here in almost 3 weeks is...

not high.

if by some fuckin miracle they are actual people you dont know, i say go fuck yourself and get a godamm life little kids. mind your freakin business or i can drag your childish idiot asses into this as well. foia requests take 48 hours depending on the situation, so stop your crap, and hes wrong to begin with anyways.

like i said "joce" the ONLY godamm freakin person here who "feels bad" for anyone is me for YOU, b/c you sound so whiny and bitchy complaining about something that has NOTHING to do with you WHATSOEVER.

COURSE like i said, this is probably just that fag "dali" being a sissy and creating different usernames.

lol either way its sad and pathetic. freakin kids

Joce
10/25/2012 01:45

Good luck "getting me" ........in Australia - and I'm a girl - not a fag - I just keep laughing........ firstly, at all of your "so last year" text lingo i.e. "LMFAO" - I have to keep asking my 7 year old to translate for me and secondly because your obviously American and thinking of all that abuse coming out of your mouth just sounds really cute to me - not scary at all........... Oh and "BTW" - I HATE it when people like you miss use the word "ironic".......... it's not "ironic" how there's been 2 different people on the same day responding not to the movie blah blah blah ...... use your hard earned American welfare money and go and get a dictionary ...... and yes, "hard earned" is sarcasm............. Ha, now who's "LTFAO"!!!!

Dali
10/25/2012 14:52

Joce,

I'm assuming you probably saw this guy's last comment via email. My sincere apologies... I would suggest that we just stop, this guy is an absolute psychopath, and who knows what people like this are capable of.

But you should definitely check out some of Modig's other stuff on this site. I recommend reading his latest piece on Seven Psychopaths and watching the movie as well. I hope this doesn't completely taint your opinion of Americans. I'm actually visiting Australia in August, perhaps we can have pretend dinner with your pretend family. Seeing as this is just me talking to myself lol..

Great call out on the irony bit, it's actually a pet peeve of mine as well! Take care

n/a
10/25/2012 18:19

LMFAO first off FAG.

as usual, you either ARE talking to "yourself" like a LEGITIMATE PSYCHOPATH or you recruited some lame ass fat poor bitch to defend yourself since you dont have the balls to do so yourself.

absolute "psychopath" - lmfao thats YOU and ONLY you MORON - actually no youre a sociopath by its EXACT definition.

you PRETEND like youre NORMAL, then talk shit, then try and get other people to do your bidding like a pussy.

some people call that girlish bitch play, others like DOCTORS call that SOCIOPATHIC - to convince others youre in the right no matter what, when youre doing wrong.

you dont even know what psychopathic is, B/C YOURE PRETTY FUCKIN NUTS YOURSELF kid.

and youre, as most sociopaths are, a pathetic lil HYPOCRITE. lets "stop", and yet you KEEP adding to the issue by responding EVERY SINGLE FREAKIN TIME....like a bitch.

youre not a man, youre a bitch.

what im "capable" of - yea im capable of being an actual real man IN REAL LIFE, unlike you; ive already said what i can and what im GOING to do - stop trying to save face and apologize for being a little bratty FAGGIT.

you know what you've said and what you've done - you just can't let it go, b/c youre a grade a ASSHOLE.

lmfao "7 psychopaths" - ooo yet another bitch ass move on your part to say something passive aggressive, like i didnt catch that...

kid, not only are you probably a wannabe psycopath, but you are, by my accounts (i studied adv. psychology throughout school) A HYPERSENSITIVE SOCIOPATH. without a DOUBT.

taint WHAT "views" of "americans" ASSHOLE - you mean b/c YOU and ONLY YOU "tainted" it moron...or is that just more bitch ass passive aggressive sociopathic bullshit youre spewing out of your mouth.

the person whose, if anything, making americans look "good" is me - i stick up for myself, and dont let assholes get away with narcassistic retarded and rude/disrespectful crap online.

so i traced you....and your little friend. i dont ask fake friends to come to my defense like a battered wife, i handle it myself.

youre a HOMO. straight up GAY little bitch. now stfu and "go away" you feeble little weeble.

that's what you are btw, a bitch ass little WEEBLE. how many more fake friends can you email and ask to protect you? thats SAD.

and your gay ass retarded australian "friend" makes ONLY AUSTRALIANS look like shit. bunch of poor petty ugly unattractive uneducated stoolies.

try SHUTTING THE FUCK UP. 10 bucks says you cant. which is why I have my ways of letting a lil steam out on losers like you, all perfectly legit and legal, and you'll see when it happens kid.

i'll walk RIGHT up to your door, and say let's handle this in the streets. and what will you do? you'll bitch out, and call your friends... b/c to you sticking up for yourself is strange and weird.

Travis
10/26/2012 09:08

OK now maybe I'm a psychopath...because I'm laughing incessantly at this (not sarcasm). Can you make a living off being a troll? The Internet presents endless possibilities...

n/a
10/26/2012 16:45

lmfao and as usal the faggitron keeps talkin shit huh lil dali? (or are you dali's bitch boy reincarnate?)

you know im gonna fuck you up right kid?

troll? lmfao the FAG who randomly talks shit to someone who never said a single fuckin word to them is tryin to FAKE call someone else a "troll".

lmfao the ONLY godamm "troll" here is you HOMO. its why you KEEP talking lame shit, & try and act all fake "righteous" and shit.

i put the foia requests in for your bitch asses. it'll go through whenever your your isp signs off on it.

yea youre right the "internet" has "lots of possiblities" - like some tiny dicked fag named "travis" (who probably is dali, or just his gay boy bitch friend) who keeps trolling this board b/c youre asshurt that i reamed your lil friend online.

awwww dont cry now wil johnathan. and stop your fake ass "laughing" - not only are you BEING "sarcastic....like a lil asshole, but youre probably peeing your lil panties. youre NOT laughing, in fact the ONLY godamm one "laughing incessantly" here LITERALLY is me lols. b/c i realize how impotenet you really are.

do you realize how impotent you sound kid?

go google netstat. or foia. youre all hot air, i plan on walking up to you in real life, challenging you to a fight, and then breakin your ugly lil face.

all legal, which is the best part, b/c no a.d.a would prosecute just 1 person, they ALWAYS prosecute both in a "street fight". so either charges get dropped, (I'll claim self defense btw ;. ), or both get prosecuted with misdemeanor assaults, which don't mean jack shit in the legal system by the way LOLS.

enjoy being a troll kid....it'll last for a week or so and then stop.

and na you dont sound like a psychopath, you sound like a little sociopathic girly BITCH.....hmm, sounds like Dali to me. ;.

Travis
10/26/2012 17:20

Well I don't need to Google FOIA. I'm a journalist and have put plenty of FOIA requests in myself. Perhaps you've never filled out the paperwork though, since FOIA is meant to obtain documents and information held by the government. And you actually NEED a reason to obtain this information, and if you really do have a request in (which would be awesome, please let me read it), I hope your reasoning went beyond "I need to find out where he lives so I can fuck him up." It also helps to actually have professional credentials. Perhaps I could put one in for you, if you'd like.

You might just wanna take the old fashioned route here and either A) actually engage in an honest, non-demeaning conversation (which, I think we can all agree, you're incapable of doing), or B) maybe give up and stop pretending you know more about FOIA requests than what you read on Wikipedia?

Or I guess your C option, which apparently is somehow beating all of us up. We could all gather in one location to make it easier, if you'd like, which would be pretty easy because you think we're all the same person.

The psychological effects of the conversation continue on my end, because I'm slowly learning that I'm Travis, Salvador Dali, and a schoolteacher from Australia, I'm in a gay relationship with Dali (who is, please remember, me), my penis is WAY smaller than I thought, and I don panties into which I pee-pee.

Perhaps the most troubling revelation is that you'll somehow be able to claim "self-defense" after beating the shit out of us, despite the fact you're on the Internet...saying you'll beat the shit out of us. Either me or you have wildly different views of how our justice system and Freedom of Information Act words, or I really am a psychopath and my reality has always been distorted.

n/a
10/26/2012 18:15

lols by process of elimination i can tell two things about you -

1.) you dont know jack shit about "journalism" or FOIL requests, let alone FOIA requests, and no you dont need a particular "reason" as long as it's legally binding.

any journalist will fuckin tell you that idiot. you dont go up to the fuckin city clerk and say oh hey there's a REASON i need this foia, you just submit it. they HAVE to release records unless it needs to be signed by a judge, and since you dont have any "judge" friends you know, but i have an acquaintance here, i'm guessing you're just trying to puff your tits out AGAIN kid...

2.) not "capable" of what fag - lol, lets see, i made a great post here, then had a couple fags try and talk shit to me. you came out of NOWHERE to talk shit - aka youre the ONLY godamm one here whose not "capable" of having a "reasonable" discussion without acting all "psychopathic" or just straight up cuntish like a bitch. you havent even fuckin POSTED here before you lame ass hypocritical retarded asshole...

also....if i challenge you to a fight, and you fight me, we BOTH go to jail. so no its YOU and ONLY YOU that doesnt know how the "justice system" works LOLS. i have intimate experience with how the "law" works, on both the good and bad side of the field...

do you realize if i went up to a guy on private property, in front of an officer, and challenged him to a fight, that officer can't do shit until a punch is thrown by somebody.

disturbing the peace doesnt even qualify yet.

but youll find all this out homo.

and no you havent "submitted" an "foia" in your life, b/c i can tell idiot. you dont have any "credentials" b/c you spend literally the past 2 days trying to talk fake shit with me, to save face, you clearly dont have time for like...you know...a job. you responded within like an hour...

im filling in a foil form as we SPEAK, and not even for this. lol it takes 2 mins, and you dont need "credentials" you fuckin moron, not that youve ever had any anyways...

what are your uh "credentials" kid - lol do you operate a "blog" owwoowowwowowowo.

YEA that's probably you. and no your penis isnt "way smaller" than you thought, its just as small as it was to begin with.

stop having gay sex with dali, get your own life, b/c when i DO knock on your door, you'll either bitch out on me like a fag, or get the shit kicked out of you in a fight

the WORST outcome here is - aggravated harassment. a low level misdemeanor thats not even ARRESTABLE in another state. it gets THROWN out. and there is no name, no address, email, no ip address, not anything.

im not even tryin to brag about this, shit i always play it on the safe side, which is why id CHALLENGE you to a fight first; if you pussied out i consider that a victory by itself.

but youre not a fuckin "credentialed" anything. youre some poor sap who got asshurt that i reamed your lil faggy kid friend on here, who uses a fake name (both of you probably), and decided to puff your tiny tits out about it.

a real "credentialed" journalist, and ive talked to atleast one before, wouldnt waste their fuckin time on some random generic website about movies... they'd be, you know, WORKING.

what radio shows have you guested on...where's your blog visited by actual people? how about a column in ANY single freakin paper ever?

lol na you dont have shit kid. so stfu, but keep responding please, b/c when I DO show up, its gonna be classic. just another troll ass fag, who says no please dont hurt me lets not fight, lets talk about it...

laters...thanks for the laugh you faggity ass wannabe.

Modigliani
10/24/2012 04:00

To clarify. In my email, I said I hoped Dali's post about being sincere and not insulting helped clarify things. I then said I could see how not knowing him you could hear "cynical fuck" as an insult, but if you knew him you'd get how he said this/meant this and it wasn't insulting. I didn't think Dali was ranting. I think he was doing a good job of being civil.

About writing for the site. I said "you said you love movies and sports, you might be interested in adding some content to the site, what did you have in mind?".

I don't care of you two continue this discussion, but I'm going to have to stop it from continuing on here. Use the (nearly empty) forum. Email each other. Meet for coffee. Box. Do what ya gotta do. Just not on this comment section, please.

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n/a
10/24/2012 05:44

first of all kiddo, - how in the HELL was he "doing a good job of being civil"?

are you serious? pff homer favoritism b/c he's your freakin "friend"?

seriously? hes an insulting chode dickhead, who instead of taking a higher road, just keeps talkin shit.

hes done nothing better than continue being an "asshole" and a "sociopath" who refuses to admit when hes wrong, even AFTER I said I was semi-sorry to you on here...and then in an email.

YOU had to apologize/explain his "meaning" FOR him, which pretty much shows that he doesn't have the maturity level or manliness to admit when hes being a dick.

I already said to you that I was semi-"sorry" for going what i thought at the time atleast was a bit "overboard". now i dont see it that way at all. b/c regardless of how i responded he was gonna be a fuckin fag about it, which is obvious if you actually took off your fake "friend" glasses and SEE AND READ what he actually wrote to me.

some of the words used - "cynical fuck", "sociopath", "asshole", etc.

really? you think that's being "civil" lmfao. wow. now i realize why you probably have very little traffic on here.

calling someone a godamm "cynical fuck" without ANY context whatso-freakin-ever pretty much suggests either he WAS being an asshole to me, or he has HORRIBLE linguistic skills in real life and is socially retarded.

lets recap bro - he calls me a cynical fuck, and is sarcastic saying he "likes my comment" aka he implies he DOESNT like my comment.

since im sick of shit like this, by tiny dicked assholes online who puff their tiny tits out online to a remarkably coherent post by me, i lash out.

he doesnt apologize or explain himself, he doesnt even act in the LEAST BIT fuckin civil, he just talks shit.

and now you're trying to pretend you DIDN'T literally ASK to put my post on your page, and then ask if I'd like to contribute here also?

wow so youre a liar and bein a dumbass too? great thanks for that.

hes lucky if i DON'T run an foia request, find him, and see what he says to my face. b/c id punch his ugly face out in real life :.)

thats all i have to say, you wanna comment, take your own advice and email me otherwise i have nothing else to say unless he tries talkin shit AGAIN, which he probably will.....b/c he's a little dick. :./

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Travis
10/24/2012 18:20

How could someone who sounded so intelligent on their original post...be this blind? Dali clearly was not insulting you. You view "cynical fuck" as having no connotation other than insulting. But what about context? Your argument lies in the idea that you can read sarcasm on the Internet, when we all know that gets lost in translation. Your theory actually was cynical as fuck...but in a good way. Why can't you see that it was a compliment? Are you just too committed to this argument to back off now? This is mind-boggling.

n/a
10/24/2012 20:55

lmfao how could calling someone "cynical" - negative connotation, and "fuck" - a fuckin CURSE WORD, be anything other than anal leakage from an asshole's mouth?

is this "travis" = dali, just using a different name....

who the hell gives a shit about this anymore holy christ. blind? kid, just do us (i say this loosely - me and mo...b/c weve talked about this already), and stfu about it already holy crap.

NO ONE CARES ANYMORE. its freakin done. and being "angry" doesnt constitute lack of "intellegence" genius, it's simply me being sick of assholes online who say critically stupid shit, and think they can get away with it.

lmfao and stfu with this "cynical as fuck" crap with me again kid. you dont talk to me that way, unless you want some of the "business" too. im sick of hearing about it - my "theory" wasn't "cynical" in any way WHATSOEVER, therefore you COMPLETELY misinterpreted the whole godamm point - talk about "intellegent".

jesus - i stated facts about the film, did this not happen, are YOU blind kid?

GROW UP - this was from 2 freakin days ago. nothing's "mind boggling" btw except for why in the HELL youre responding...

are you like a friend of his or some shit? b/c i've talked with mo ad nauseum about this retarded back and forth stuff, and i made a semi-apology to HIM twice, and he "semi apologized" for what his idiot friend said.

so let it GOOOOOOOO. or do i need to trace your ass too, find out who you REALLY are, and take it from there...

christ. i tried to speak about a freakin movie. and this is what i get. gah.... :./

Jonathan
10/25/2012 17:59

You talk down to the people who run this website and call it "little" yet you clearly have nothing better to do then make ridiculously long posts on it. You expressed remorse when told it, “was sad to see you leave,” which by the way was sarcasm, everyone here's life would have been slightly better had you been smart enough to pick up on that. Whatever you do with your life it's clearly so pathetic that this is what you find pleasure in. You have tried suggesting you should be a third party to this website even though you repeatedly have shown you can't handle the tiniest bit of criticism. How do you expect to get readers if you blow up every time someone compliments or criticizes you? You claim to be a tough guy who "doesn't take s—t," yet you won’t even use your real name on this website. You feel the need to write things like "LOL" because you know what your writing is not funny but on top of it you tell people to grow up. I don't know how old you are, but if you want to be taken seriously by adults stop with the "lmfao," and the "lol." I actually think your original post provided me with 0 insight into the movie, I'm shocked people felt the need to be nice and respond favorably to it. It's awesome that you remembered American Psycho finished with a similar shot but other than that they have nothing to do with each other. You then mention he has no expression on his face yet for some reason you think that is meant to be making us believe he's gonna out Morris; why exactly? Both Morris and Gosling have secrets on each other that will ruin both their careers, so again, why do you think he would out Morris? You mention some generic insight about Goslings "loss of innocence," but since you are too young or immature to know what that's about you missed the impact it likely would have had on Gosling. No one screwed Gosling over, that’s the game they’re playing, Gosling didn’t know. He picked a dirty profession and Giamatti taught him the rules, Gosling learned quickly and won. Part of losing your innocence, or growing up, is learning to keep your mouth shut, keep peoples trust and not say every stupid thought that comes to your mind. Somewhere along the way we all realize we're not that interesting and what we have to say is really not at all interesting to most other people. I cannot believe you haven't realized that consider what I've seen of your thoughts. You made an especially interesting comment in your original post when you said Ryan Goslilngs character "CHANGED." Wait...the main character in a movie changed? You don't say? I'm sure whoever did the horrible job of raising you would be so proud of the insight you have (this is sarcasm moron). Speaking of this particular gem of a quote, half the time you use all caps for words it makes no sense. "He's CHANGED; regardless of whether he outs the guy or not..." Why are you using caps there? Go ahead and "trace me," bitch...Seriously, find out where I live (hint New York City) and one day walk up to me, say "I'm the dick writing about Ides of March," and ask me to step outside. No sucker punch, no creeping up behind me. If you are really this tough, find me and ask me to step outside. At this point I've called you a bitch, so if you don’t’ find me you’re a pussy. Are you gonna let me get away with that?

johnathan is an asshurt fag for dali aka a homosexual loser
10/25/2012 18:44

lol oh and btw idiot -

i can well guarantee my "life" is 10x better than yours. you probably still live with your mom. and the ONLY godamm "pathetic" one is you KID.

more sociopathic hypocrite bullshit - YOU took the time to write freakin 2 pages of shit, so then doesnt that make YOU "pathetic" too moron.

and i can "handle" shit just fine idiot. i keep on responding when talked to don't i?

youre just asshurt - b/c i put one of your idiot friends on blast.

so are you his gay lover? awww thats ADORABLE. so cute.

can i see your wedding photos. LOLS.

thats all i have to say for now kid - please feel free to stfu, and let what i said simmer for a bit ;.

n/a
10/25/2012 18:37

lmfao. OMG yet ANOTHER faggit who happens to either "know" dali, or IS "dali".

jesus christ...

2 things bitch - LEARN PROPER PARAGRAPH USAGE.

they teach this shit in GRADE SCHOOL. i stopped reading your trite and sissy, mostly nonsensical and pretty much completely FALSE crap about 2 or 3 lines in.

hows this kid - 44.028.97.64: 226 straight from netstat. your ip.

i dont use my "name" - lol AND EITHER DOES MO. your point is what, that i should give out my "name" - and that would do what?

mo has my email, ive talked to him AT LENGTH several times. you think its "sarcasm" huh faggit? WHY DONT YOU GO EMAIL HIM AND ASK YOURSELF. not a single fuckin thing he said was "sarcasm" you moron. i ASKED him myself actually.

and if it WAS sarcasm, i plan on asking him again, and if it was (highly freakin doubtful kid) i'll trace his dumb shit ass too, and make plans to meet him in person. beat his ass up a bit after i ask him to fight me as well. simple as sweet apple pie.

he SEEMS like a half decent guy, however, we've actually spoken about sports, and about this half twit faggity ass retarded "friend" of his a few times. and yes he DID ask me if i'd like to add to this site, or atleast "what i had in mind".

and i also said to him when i said "little" site, it wasn't demeaning in the least bit, again - GO FUCKIN ASK HIM YOURELF YOU LITTLE CREEPY CUNT BOY. i said it as in a "cute little site", you arrogant prick shit - stop trying to rattle cages when there's nothing even there...

hilarious how all of a sudden, on a site that gets NO traffic, ive had 2 supposed "random" people come to the defense of this fag "dali" - which i doubt is even his name.

hey johnathan - here's some advice - STFU BEFORE YOU GET YOUR BITCH ASS HURT.

all perfectly legal, but still HURT...like a battered wife. b/c that's what you guys are. LITTLE WEEBLE PUSSIES. youre a TROLL...simply.

id NEVER in a MILLION years ask even one of my freakin CLOSEST friends to come to my "aid" online b/c i was scared that some guy would retaliate for some stupid shit i did.

that is some STRAIGHT up girly crap. its what nerdy, scrawny, effeminate kids do. not freakin adults.

lol and yet ANOTHER fag that says some dumb hypocrite hyperbole about "long paragraphs" and then writes the most fuckin LONG, UNLEGIBLE, BORING, COMPLETELY STUPID AND FALSE dissertation about someone who has said not a SINGLE freakin word to you yet.

how sad and pathetic is that shit kid. what goes on between two freakin grown ass men (or adults for that matter) is their own godamm business.

before you get your face smashed in when i come to your shitshack and challenge you to a fight (for shits and giggles mostly), maybe you should step back, realize i killed it on my analysis of the movie, told a faggit troll to stfu, and then traced a bunch of other trolls that simply can't stfu either.

yea lets keep talkin about it though. fuckin retarded ass moron.

oh and i say LOL b/c everything i have to comment on not only IS "funny" you asshole, but i'll speak HOWEVER THE FUCK I WANT, and its common freakin diction on the "internet".

jesus freakin christ.....

kids these days...

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Modigliani
10/26/2012 04:05

To clarify. My "sad to see you leave" was not sarcastic.

Also not sarcastic: I wouldn't be sad if this arguing came to a sudden and total stop. Although "creepy cunt boy" did make me laugh a lot.

R
07/10/2013 04:01

The film is called 'The Ides of March', right? Ergo Clooney is Cesar and Gosling is Brutus. Of course Gosling is going to spill the beans as soon as the focus turns on him at the end. This is the act of burying the knife into Cesar. There is no variation from the ending of the historic account. Cesar is corrupt and Brutus is the purger. There is no mystery here. The ending is metaphorical, not literal, but it is still the same damned ending!

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balmydrizzle
06/30/2014 11:28

For p.s. in the main article about the last intern - Julius Morris. I think author didn't explain quite right in some way. Actually, I see clearly, She's played by the actress who played Molly (i.e. Rachel) when she walks up stairs with coffees, and later in the end she's played by another girl. I think the director uses a way of metaphor to show that Julius will be another "Molly" that could stir the politic campaign.

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balmydrizzle
06/30/2014 11:29

Also, the director names this girl's surname as 'Morris' to make an implicit hint that this girl will/could be having affair with Morris in some way.

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07/08/2014 02:40

nice posts

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08/09/2014 04:54


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